Recent Interviews including a Discussion of Crash/Retrieval

For those interested, I have been hosting my old radio show/podcast recently, as my personal situation changed radically. I have also been interviewed on other shows. Following are links to those shows and if there is some duplication here, well, these things happen.

Of course, the theme in these shows are UFOs, what’s happening with the official investigations, discussions of some of the older cases that provide evidence of something off-world flying around our atmosphere. Those who are paying attention, you’ll find some of my views have changed over time. That simply means that new evidence has been found, witnesses who once seemed credible are found to invented their tales and are no longer credible, and outright hoaxes have been exposed. 

Many of you will probably be interested in the last interview. Ryan Wood and I talked about some of the more famous UFO crashes including that in Aurora, Texas and Shag Harbour. The two are at opposite ends of the UFO crash/retrieval spectrum.

Ryan Wood hosting a crash
conference in Las Vegas.

So, here are the links to the most recent shows. Some are audio only and with others I have provided both the audio and video versions.

From Into the Paranormal, hosted by Jeremy Scott:

Ep. #683: TRUTH UNDER FIRE w/ Kevin Randle

And following are both my shows and interviews with others, and the X-Zone shows where I was the guest. The links do provide a hint about the content of the show and if I was the host or guest.

https://www.spreaker.com/episode/rob-mcconnell-interviews-lt-col-kevin-randle-phd-retired-ufos-uaps-ufo-crashes-and-more--59436871

I talk with Robert Powell on video:

https://rumble.com/v4q4ll5-a-different-perspective-with-kevin-randle-robert-powell.html

And the audio version:

https://www.spreaker.com/episode/a-different-perspective-with-kevin-randle-interviews-robert-powell-ufos-a-scientist-explains-what-we-know--59526848

Robert Powell

And with Steve Bassett, first on video and then audio:

https://rumble.com/v4rknk0-a-different-perspective-with-kevin-randle-interviews-stephen-bassett-disclo.html?mref=yqkns&mc=7zk0c

https://www.spreaker.com/episode/a-different-perspective-with-kevin-randle-interviews-robert-powell-ufos-a-scientist-explains-what-we-know--59526848

And back being interviewed by Rob McConnell on a variety of UFO related topics:

https://www.spreaker.com/episode/rob-mcconnell-interviews-lt-col-kevin-randle-phd-retired-the-beginning-of-modern-ufos--59764236

I interview Paul Hynek about his father’s take on UFOs and on his investigations into them. First is the video version.

https://rumble.com/v4u50mx-a-different-perspective-with-kevin-randle-interviews-paul-hynek-ufo-investi.html

https://www.spreaker.com/episode/a-different-perspective-with-kevin-randle-interviews-paul-hynek-allen-hynek-ufo-investigations--59946412

Here is the video of that interview with Ryan. As I said, we talked about several UFO crash/retrievals.

https://rumble.com/v4vmful-a-different-perspective-with-kevin-randle-interviews-ryan-s.-wood-majic-eye.html

The audio version can be heard here.

https://www.spreaker.com/episode/a-different-perspective-with-kevin-randle-interviews-ryan-s-wood-majic-eyes-only--60063432

Each of the programs above will be of interest to those studying UFOs. The discussion with Ryan Wood was of particular interest to me because it dealt with UFO crash/retrievals. But, as I say, there should be something for everyone in the links above. 

Dr. Bruce Maccabee Passes at 82

Dr. Bruce Maccabee was a retired physicist who spent his working life at the U.S. Naval Weapons Center. He is best known outside his work environment for his research into the nature of UFOs including an in-depth examination in the Kenneth Arnold UFO sighting that sparked the public interest in flying saucers and flying discs. He used his training to examine the McMinnville UFO pictures, the New Zealand film, the Meier contact claims and the Gulf Breeze photos and other sightings with a photographic component.

Dr. Bruce Maccabee. Photo by Randle

He worked with Dr. J. Allen Hynek, was active in the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) and was a leader in the Fund for UFO Research (FUF0R).

He was sought out for his expertise and provided a briefing paper for John Gibbons, President Bill Clinton’s science advisor. He participated in the Smithsonian UFO debate in 1980 and appeared on numerous radio and television programs.

I had the privilege of interviewing on my radio show/podcast. You can read a short synopsis of that interview and listen to it here:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/search?q=Bruce+Maccabee

The link to the that interview is embedded in the article.

Like so many others, he requested UFO files from various governmental offices and organizations resulting in the release of many documents including what was once the FBI’s secret UFO file. He also examined the University of Colorado’s UFO investigation, conducted by Edward Condon and sponsored by the Air Force. He concluded that Condon was less than candid about the results of that investigation. Evidence obtained later, including correspondence between the committee and the Air Force proved that this scientific investigation was not very scientific and Condon himself had been less than candid.

He published more than a hundred papers, articles and monographs on the topic. He was well respected in the UFO community. He had just turned 82 when he died. 

Three Sightings of a Pennsylvania Tic-Tac

I search many websites, podcast, magazines and even on-line conferences, government hearings and panel discussions about UFOs looking for reports that are interesting, informative and suggest that there are some strange things going on out there. I try to separate the good from the bad to provide a mostly unbiased assessment. One of the better sites is Stan Gordon’s UFO Anomalies Zone website. It is a compendium of many things paranormal.  

Stan Gordon

This observation is underscored by several interesting cases I found there. At the top of the list was one from April 22 of this year in which there was also a photograph. That, of course made it interesting, although the photograph doesn’t provide much in the way of visual evidence.

According to the available information, the witness was outside at 3:35 p.m. when he spotted something that he couldn’t identify. The object was low over a populated area.

Unlike so many others, he grabbed his cell phone and took a single picture just before the UFO vanished behind some trees.

The UFO was a silver-white cylinder that had no visible wings or tail. It looked like an elongated tic-tac to me as I studied the picture. And, you can see the picture, as well as other information about this sighting and the other two here:

A Third Low Level Wingless Cylindrical UFO/UAP Has Been Reported in Daylight During April 2024 in Southwest Pennsylvania – Stan Gordon's UFO Anomalies Zone

The witness said that it appeared more reflective than something with an internal glow. To the witness, it looked streamlined with a rounded front.

The witness said that he was familiar with the normal air traffic that flies over his area. The UFO was flying at a height of one to two thousand feet, moved in a smooth manner and made no noise. 

He did say that it was impossible to estimate the distance to the object and that he said that while it was near the clouds it looked large but when he first saw it, away from the clouds, it looked to be of moderate size. He said that it seemed to be gliding rather than flying, and moved in a straight line from north to south.

In the world today, UFO sightings come with all sorts of interesting, additional information. The witness said that he called a friend who had a FlightAware app on his cell. The friend said there was nothing in the area, except something moving south to north at an altitude much higher than that used by commercial aviation… which, of course, doesn’t rule out some sort military aircraft.

This is another astounding aspect of the world today. With the right app, you can get a look at where all the aircraft flying around the United States at any given moment, but I digress.

Gordon reported that Ron Lanham of Wild & Weird West Virginia, conducted a photo analysis. Lanham said that he could find no visible flight control surfaces or vapor trails. He also said that it didn’t appear to have the shape of a conventional aircraft and that it looked solid in the picture frame. I’m not sure what equipment Lanham used to make his analysis, but it is always good to get a second and third opinion.

Here good the good part. Gordon reported that this was not the only such sighting in April in Pennsylvania. On April 8th, while traveling by car in the North Huntingdon area, the witnesses said she spotted something strange at 11:30 a.m. The driver described a large, smooth, white cylindrical-shaped object. It was flying at a relative low level.

The driver called her passenger’s attention to the UFO. She said that the object did not look flat or rounded to her but skinny, with a round front end but seemed flat in the rear. There were no signs of propulsion, wings, lights or markings that she could see.

The passenger had the better view of the object than the driver who had to focus on the road. They both had the impression that the object was more tic-tac shaped than cigar shaped as it climbed higher until it disappeared into the clouds. The sighting was estimated to have lasted for only a few seconds.

I will note here that the estimate of a few seconds is probably inaccurate given that most people are unable to accurately gauge the passing of time in such circumstances. I will also note that if the time estimate is good, then they didn’t have a chance to get a good look at the UFO. It would have been nice of the passenger, who got the better look had been able to use her cell phone to take a picture.

And finally, on April 14 of this year, near Pittsburgh, the witness saw a bright, metallic, cigar-shaped object in fast flight. She said that it was sleek, shiny and narrow. Both ends of the UFO were rounded and the craft was wingless. There was no sound associated with the object.

She thought it was flying about 200 feet above the ground, flying in a straight line in high winds. She lost sight of it as it was blocked from view by trees. Again, more information is available at Stan Gordon’s UFO Anomalies Zone website which you can find at:

https://www.stangordon.info/wp/ 

AARO Pilot's Sighting Report

In the last few weeks, I seem to have been stuck with reading about what is happening with the various investigations in Washington, and with reports from those agencies telling us, basically, there is nothing alien in what they found. Sean Kirkpatrick later explained that. He also said, as have others, that there are cases that are unresolved, meaning there is no terrestrial explanation for the report, but nothing in those unresolved cases that takes us off-world.

Now, we have something new from AARO, which, given the nature of that investigation, again explained by Kirkpatrick, is not surprising. In the report, released publicly at the end of April, in a case from January 26 of last year, a military pilot reported that while on the Eglin Air Force Base training range, his* on-board radar displayed four unidentified objects flying between 16,000 and 18,000 feet. The pilot only saw one object which he described as rounded and somewhat cone shaped. Not only was there a radar display but what was described as Electro-optical and infrared sensor data suggesting something real outside the cockpit of the jet.

The pilot said the object was gray with a paneled surface and orange-red coloring in the center. It was about 12 feet in diameter and might have been hovering or moving relatively slowly. He said there was a rounded bottom and that there was a cone top, like that on the Apollo Spacecraft. He said there was blurry air underneath that seemed to be some kind of a heat signature.

Pilot's illustration of UFO courtesy of AARO.

As the pilot closed to within 4,000 feet, his radar malfunctioned. Examination by technicians found that a circuit breaker had tripped. I found that interesting, but maintenance records showed that same circuit breaker had tripped three other times. That suggests the problem was not the close approach of the UFO. Other, contradictory information, apparently left out of the report suggested that was not the only electronic failure on the aircraft during the close approach of the UFO.

AARO’s investigation suggested the object was lighter-than-air, possibly a weather balloon (where have we heard that before), a large mylar balloon or a commercial, outdoor helium lighting balloon.

They also concluded that blurry air that suggested a propulsion system could have been, and I stress that, could have been, a visual misperception due to environmental conditions. Or, in other words, it was something in the atmosphere causing the trouble, but nothing emitted by the object.

Both the intelligence assessment and the science and technology assessment in the AARO report reached the same conclusion. They independently identified object being like some form of balloon. Of course, since these were high-level investigations by highly trained and respected experts, we can accept that as being accurate.

Florida Republican Congressional representative, Matt Gaetz, said that he had attempted for months to gather more information about the sighting once he learned about it officially. He pointed out that the radar data showed four objects flying a diamond formation with equidistant separation. He also noted that the sighting took place over the Eglin ranges which are relatively free of airborne clutter. These facts suggest something other than a balloon. I suppose you could say that a cluster of balloons, tethered to one another could hold a relatively stable formation, but I find that difficult to believe.

Gaetz said that not only had the radar failed, but the infrared camera also failed. The pilot took still photographs of the UFO. This was one of those facts left out of the report that took us away from balloons and faulty radar circuits and into a new arena. It also suggests that AARO is engaged in identification even if that identification is somewhat shaky.

As I noted earlier, the object was said to be virtually stationary, but the winds at the altitude of the UFO were blowing at 80 knots. This and other facts suggest the Pentagon has resorted to the decades old policy of offering explanations for mysterious sightings without worrying about the contradictory evidence. I think here of the Levelland sightings of November 1957, which were resolved as ball lightning ignoring the facts that ball lightning is very short-lived and was much smaller than the UFO reported by dozens of witnesses in that case.  These reports including testimony that car engines had stalled, the headlights dimmed and the radios were filled with static. There was also a report of a large, circular burned area on a ranch near Levelland.  The UFO was described as huge and was glowing bright red. For those interested in more information about Levelland, the book is called Levelland in a comprehensive examination of the case.. Or you can take a look at some of the related articles published here:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2016/03/one-of-best-cases-levelland-texas.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2020/10/coast-to-coast-levelland-ufo-landings.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2018/06/the-levelland-sightings-and-condon.html

This provides a good look at Levelland and each of the articles does contain references to other reports about the case if you wish to dive deeper (which is now how we say, “Examine it further.”

One other point that is relevant. Kirkpatrick has said that the mission of AARO  was to determine the nature of UAP and not hunt for aliens. He also said that the craft reported were secret military vehicles, which has been a way to dodge questions by invoking national security. Independent research has not borne this out. In reality, it is just another way to conceal the evidence.

While I approve of seeing one of the AARO reports, and John Greenewald for publishing it on his Black Vault website, I, and many others reject the conclusion that is based on several assumptions, an overlooking of contradictory evidence, and then suggesting a “moderate” rating. While this suggests a solution, the meaning of “moderate” suggests they don’t have much confidence in it. I suppose they hope that no one will make careful examination of the facts.

*I have used the generic pronoun of he, assuming, based on statistics, that the pilot in question was male, realizing there is a chance the pilot was female. The report used the group pronoun “they” which is confusing in a report where there was a single pilot. I wondered, if at some future date, someone interested in UFOs would come across the AARO report and lose time trying to learn the identifies of the other witnesses because common sense has taken hold then and we eventually stopped using group pronouns for single individuals. 

Is Disclosure Slipping Away?

 

Last week seemed to be my week for everything Disclosure. On Coast-to-Coast AM, I provided some of the latest data on Congressional efforts to push through legislation on opening government files with an eye to transparency on issues dealing with UFOs, which they now insist on calling UAP.

(See my interview with Steve Bassett that discusses the use of UAP as opposed to UFO on the radio and television version of A Different Perspective. Link below).

Senate Majority Leader, Chuck Schumer, who, with Senator Mike Rounds, proposed legislation that would establish a board to declassify government records on UFOs, are being opposed by House Republicans.

The Anomalous Phenomena Act of 2023, was aimed at increasing transparency about UAP. The Act outlines a process for disclosure of UAP records. According to Schumer, the House Republicans are, “Attempting to kill another commonsense bipartisan measure… to increase transparency around what the government does and does not know about unidentified aerial [sic] phenomena.”

According to The Byte, Sean Kirkpatrick, who was the head of AARO, said that government secrecy results in conspiracy theories. If there is a void in information that void will be filled by the right-wing public and various conspiracy theories and accusations. This is, of course, the old dodge that labels witnesses and those interested in UFOs as being slightly out of touch with reality. Slap a label on this, such as being right-wing and you can deflect the message, even when the facts are based in reality.

Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick briefing a few members of the US Senate.

Kirkpatrick went so far as to accuse whistleblowers of derailing the work of AARO, which seems to be a suggestion that the whistleblowers are not relaying reliable information. As the ultimate man on the inside, the implication is that Kirkpatrick would know the truth about what is in the government files but we’re not allowed to see that. So much for transparency.

But here is the thing about counterintelligence. When you detect a leak, you then force false information into the leak to discredit all the information coming from that source. And you attempt to discredit the sources by suggesting them of creating confusion. Rather than AARO having an agenda to explain all UAP sightings, Kirkpatrick is suggesting that the problems arise from the sensational claims made by those whistleblowers.

In fact, Kirkpatrick that his work was stymied by the sensational claims of wrecked UFOs but the claims were unsupported. Advocates of the crashed UFO claims have ignored contradictory evidence but these claims have captured the attention of the public and governmental policy makers. Of course, he hasn’t proved his allegation either.

But the claims of some of the stories of crash retrievals are backed up by solid eyewitness testimony, government documents, and obviously half-baked cover stories, such as Project Mogul explaining the Roswell debris. Accepting that explanation means that you reject the field notes and diary entries of Dr. Albert Crary. Crary was the man in charge of the balloon launches in New Mexico in June 1947. According to those notes, made at the time, in the field, was that Mogul Flight No. 4, the culprit that allegedly dropped the debris outside of Roswell, had been canceled. If it didn’t fly, then it couldn’t have been responsible for the debris found by Mack Brazel, and that explanation collapses. This is contradictory evidence that Kirkpatrick along with various members of the general public, the skeptics and some government agencies ignored.

He said that the job of AARO was to determine the nature of the UFOs and not hunt for aliens. Kirkpatrick told CNN that often the strange craft being reported were secret military vehicles. This is the same excuse that has been offered in the past by the CIA among others, but a review of the records does nothing to validate that claim. Kirkpatrick added that transparency and messaging was the key to stop the public from jumping to conclusions with their wild speculations. I say that transparency would help us get to the truth much faster whatever that truth happens to be... unless there are agencies that don’t want that truth revealed.

At the other end of the spectrum, whistleblower David Grusch, the former Air Force intelligence officer, told a select group of highly-placed people recently that he had learned about a forty-foot craft that had been recovered by the government that could manipulate time and space so that it was the size of a football field on the inside. Those familiar with Dr. Who, the British science fiction program, recognized this as one of the attributes of the TARDIS, the doctor’s time machine using for traveling around the galaxy.

Here is something that Grusch said that changes the conversation if the information is accurate. According to Grush, he, with other intelligence officials, was trained to track UAP in the atmosphere or in orbit, using a unique frequency that is emitted by the UAP. This might have something to do with the EM Effects reported in the close approach of some UFOs. The most extreme example of this are the sightings and stalling of car engines in and around Levelland, Texas, in November 1957 which the Air Force wrote off as ball lightning, a ridiculous notion. I wrote a book about those sightings and some incredible revelations about some of the witnesses. That book was cleverly entitled Levelland.

Grusch said that at one point, one of the competitors with the US, was going to tell of the existence of non-human intelligences to gain some sort of advantage over the United States. This might be a reference to a head of state confirming that there were crash recovered vehicles. Steve Bassett did point out some interesting aspects of that in my conversation with him just last week. (Yes, the link is below).

Grusch did provide the name of one of the other officers involved in this, Jay Stratton. This was in connection with claims that he, Grusch and other whistleblowers had been threatened in an attempt to silence them.

Stratton served for more than 32 years in the Army, Air Force, Air Force Reserve and the Federal Civil Service (As did I, except for the Federal Civil Service. I was in the Army National Guard instead.) His current assignment is the Senior Analyst, Nimitz Operational Intelligence Center, ONI (Mine, for those interested, is retired officer). He is responsible for delivering comprehensive intelligence to Navy leadership that would include information about crash recoveries.

All of this suggested to me that Disclosure is not close. I had once believed it was, especially after Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal partially opened that door in 2017 with their revelation of sightings around the USS Nimitz. Bassett discussed this as well during my conversation with him You can listen to that interview here, which touches on some of the points I made above:

https://www.spreaker.com/episode/a-different-perspective-with-kevin-randle-interviews-stephen-bassett-disclosure-update--59658370

And for those with a more visual philosophy, you can watch it here:

https://rumble.com/v4rknk0-a-different-perspective-with-kevin-randle-interviews-stephen-bassett-disclo.html?mref=yqkns&mc=7zk0c

The discussion was wide ranging and it provided a glimpse at some of the behind the scenes maneuvering that has gone on in the last several years. He provided some interesting history behind the “fight” for Disclosure and provided an answer for why the government maintains the secrecy after all these years.

In UFOs and the Deep State, I provide an explanation as well. Our two points of view aren’t all that much different. Public panic in the world today is not one of the considerations, given how far society has changed since 1947.

Bassett does suggest that the cloak of deniability would be lifted when a head of state came out claiming that UFOs, that is UAP, were off-world, that is, extraterrestrial craft. Secrecy will persist until something happens in a public arena that can’t be denied such as the remains of a craft and bodies were found in a way that the government couldn’t deny it or if a head of state made the announcement about it.

Stephen Bassett

Bassett suggested that David Grush altered the plans for Disclosure by discussing what he knew before some of the other aspects were in place. As I say, you can listen to Bassett’s commentary at one of the above links to understand the whole picture.

You can find links to my show A Different Perspective on this blog. They range from those about UFOs to occasional commentary about lost treasures and gold mines and a few other esoteric topics that interest me.

Links to My Show and other Show Apperances

 

Normally, I post a brief synopsis with a link to the audio or video of my appearance on another’s show, or links to my own show. In the last few weeks, I have been on or hosted several shows. Following at the links to them:

https://www.spreaker.com/episode/kevin-randle-s-premiere-show-for-2024--59203917

This was just a show in which I provided information about my long hiatus from the microphone and the commentary on some of the latest issues in the UFO field, which I refuse to call UAP.

In the following, Rob McConnell and I talk about what is new, or semi-new in the UFO community. There was no set script of agenda, just a free-flowing conversation.

https://www.spreaker.com/episode/rob-mcconnell-interviews-lt-col-kevin-randle-ph-d-ret-the-latest-aaro-report--59028810

Rob McConnel and I talk about UFOs, MJ-12, and other aspects of the UFO phenomenon.

https://www.spreaker.com/episode/rob-mcconnell-interviews-kevin-randle-ufos-roswell-and-mj-12--58928286

And, finally, is the first of the new season of A Different Perspective with a live guest. Robert Powell provides his insight to aspects of the UFO discussion, though we do seem to keep returning to the Levelland case. Here is the audio version.

https://www.spreaker.com/episode/a-different-perspective-with-kevin-randle-interviews-robert-powell-ufos-a-scientist-explains-what-we-know--59526848

Not overly relevant, but I like to put up a picture or two with the blog postings.

And for those interested in the horrors of video, here is the link to that version:

https://rumble.com/v4q4ll5-a-different-perspective-with-kevin-randle-robert-powell.html

On April 25, I’ll be hosting Steve Bassett. We’ll talk about disclosure, one of his favorite talks and the upcoming UFO conference in Nevada.

And remember, I do a weekly update about UFOs on Coast-to-Coast AM. For the next several weeks, I'll be on the Thursday shows just a few minutes after midnight, CDT.

If anyone has a suggestion for a guest, let me know, and I’ll see about getting that person on the show.

David Grusch and his UFO Crashes

 

About a year ago, David Grusch showed up on the UFO scene talking about UFO crashes. In the course of his revelations, he mentioned a dozen UFO crashes over the years. Now, I sometimes think that I’m the leading expert on UFO crashes, having inherited the title from the late Len Stringfield, so I believe can speculate with some expertise on the subject of UFO crashes. Without Len, we might not even be having this conversation but Len brought the whole subset of UFO crashes into the public arena.

David Grusch

For those who are unfamiliar with this, Len began investigating tales of UFO crashes, years before the rest of us climbed on that bandwagon. He collected the stories with little in the way of critical comment. His theory was to publish the information, knowing that someone would attempt to verify it. Without that beginning, we wouldn’t be having this discussion today.

That brings us to David Grusch, who “leaked” some information about crashes but not very much. He mentioned two crashes. One at Roswell that is so well known now that it was an answer on Jeopardy! The other was something alleged to have happened in Italy in 1933. Americans captured the craft from the Italians at the end of the Second World War.

Italian UFO researchers, who investigated the claims about the case some twenty to thirty years ago, concluded that it was a hoax. It would seem that anyone on the inside, that is the people feeding information to Grush, would have known that. You can see the evidence here:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2023/06/david-grush-and-1933-italian-ufo-crash.html

Connected to Roswell, is the reported case of a crash of a craft on the Plains of San Agustin in western New Mexico. This tale was linked to the Roswell UFO crash when Stan Friedman suggested that two alien craft had collided, one falling to earth near Roswell and the other much farther to the west. The best evidence is that this aspect of the Roswell case is a hoax. You can learn more about it here:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/search?q=Plains+of+San+Agustin

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2021/04/did-herbert-dick-lie-about-being-on.html

http://www.cufos.org/books/Plains_of_San_AgustinR.pdf

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-plains-of-san-agustin-crash.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2022/09/lue-elizondo-and-two-crashes-on-same-day.html

https://www.ufoexplorations.com/other-roswell-crash-secret-of-plain

From that point, Grusch has said that he has more information about the other ten, that he had talked to people who had seen some of these craft, but that he hasn’t seen anything himself. Don Schmitt, Tom Carey, and I can make the same claim. The difference is that we have named names. Lots of names. Some turned out to be charlatans, others just felt they wanted to tell an interesting story, and a few thought of it was a way to financial gain. But there is a solid core of individuals who were there and who were first-hand witnesses. You can learn about some of them here:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2007/07/edwin-easley-and-roswell.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2009/09/paul-kimball-lance-moody-ufos-and-me.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2023/11/new-documentation-for-roswell-easley.html

My point is that some of us have been around long enough that we can figure out what crashes Grusch has been told about. In no particular order, here is what I know about this. The Aztec, New Mexico crash on March 25, 1948, is probably the first UFO crash that gained any sort of national attention. Frank Scully published a book, Behind the Flying Saucers, that told the tale of the crash. Though he mentioned a couple of other alleged crashes, he focused on the Aztec event because he had talked to the men who knew all about.

The story was that craft was found near tiny Aztec, was recovered by the military and had contained bodies of the Venusian flight crew. The story was exposed as a hoax and for those interested in following this down the rabbit hole, I suggest reading Scully’s book, then William Steinman’s compilation of nonsense, UFO Crash at Aztec and finally Scott Ramsey’s The Aztec Incident on the pro side but with supporting evidence that is weak to nonexistent. Ramsey did a good job of running down alleged witnesses, but he didn’t have the opportunity to interview anyone with first-hand knowledge. In other words, Ramey and his team interviewed people who knew people who said they knew something about the case. And some of those witnesses said that there had been no crash.

There is good evidence on the other side of the argument, you can read Monte Shriver’s investigation on this blog here:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2013/02/aztec-in-perspective-by-monte-shriver.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2013/02/aztec-in-perspective-by-monte-shriver_8.html

I suspect one of the better tales is that from Kecksburg, Pennsylvania on December 9, 1965. This case is the bailiwick of Stan Gordon who was on the scene within hours to investigate and has carried out that investigation over the decades. Working with Leslie Kean, Gordon even sued NASA in an attempt to gather additional information. However, like so much in this aspect of UFO crashes, there is a plausible alternative. You can read more about this case here:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2021/11/x-zone-broadcast-network-stan-gordon.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2017/01/x-zone-boardcast-network-stan-gordon.html

The Del Rio, Texas, UFO crash has been the subject of an ongoing investigation for decades. It was accepted by UFO researchers in the beginning because a high ranking, retired Air Force officer, provided an affidavit proving the authenticity of his information. This crash, misidentified as the El Indio – Guerrero crash was included in the MJ-12 documents, providing even more credibility. The problem was the high-ranking officer, Robert Willingham was not a high-ranking officer, was not a fighter pilot as claimed and the documentation from both the military records center in St. Louis and the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver did not verify his officer status. He was, according to the available information, a low-ranking enlisted man who served only thirteen months on active duty. You can read more about that here:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2011/08/absense-of-evidence.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2014/03/ihave-argued-for-years-that-eisenhower.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2018/06/mj-12-and-cognitive-dissonance.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2010/07/del-rio-ufo-crash-and-mj-12.html

One of the reports that has received traction in the last couple of years was the story from little San Antonio, New Mexico, about a crash there in 1945. Dr. Jacques Vallee, along with Paola Harris published a book, Trinity: The Best Kept Secret, that provided two eyewitness accounts of the crash and retrieval. Those witnesses, who were youngsters at the time of crash offered shifting accounts as to the date, the names of other witnesses, and the military recovery operation. Douglas Dean Johnson has made an in-depth study of that case and has provided amazing evidence that it never happened. You can read all about it here:

https://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/douglas-dean-johnson-exposes-jacques-vallee-and-the-trinity-ufo-hoax

https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/crash-story-file-the-reme-baca-smoking-gun-interview/

https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/crash-story-the-trinity-ufo-crash-hoax/

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2021/06/trinity-best-kept-secret-critique.html

I learned of the Las Vegas UFO crash as I was conducting research into the Roswell case. I interviewed witnesses in Utah who had seen a low flying UFO about fifteen minutes before the craft was seen to explode in the sky east of Las Vegas, Nevada. Hundreds of witnesses in Las Vegas saw that explosion. The Air Force wrote the case off as a bolide, that is a bright meteor, but I originally had reason to suspect that was not a good answer. However, additional investigation has led me to conclude the Air Force explanation was probably accurate, but there are many who still do not accept that answer. You can read more about it here:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/search?q=Las+Vegas+UFO+Crash

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2008/08/las-vegas-ufo-crash.html

One of what is considered among the first UFO crashes took place in tiny Aurora, Texas in April 1897. The craft allegedly hit a windmill and exploded. The local residents found the mangled body of the lone occupant and buried it in the Aurora cemetery. UFO researchers began to visit Aurora to validate this early case, which was a hoax started by a stringer for a Dallas newspaper. You can read more about this here:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2005/03/aurora-texas-story-that-wont-die.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2018/04/aurora-texas-again.html

The case of a crash near Kingman, Arizona in 1953 might be included because the original story was told by a man who seemed credible. He said, and the evidence proved, that he had worked in the Frenchman Flats area of southern Nevada on a project that dealt with atomic energy. He also said that he was assigned in some capacity to Project Blue Book. There is no evidence that this claim is true.

Although originally called Fritz Werner by Raymond Fowler in an article published in 1976, his real name was Arthur Stansel. He said that he had received a call in May 1953 about some sort of important and classified event. As evidence of this, Stansel provided two pages from his work calendar that mentioned a special assignment, but no details were given.

He boarded a bus with many others and taken to a site where they were given specific jobs to do, they were not to speak to the others on the bus, and once their task was completed, they were loaded back on the bus, with warnings that they were never to mention this. In a rather stupid move, an Air Force NCO had a list of names that he called out to ensure that people got to the places they were to work.

Stansel did see a disk that had crashed, and by accident, saw the deceased members of the crew that were not human. He returned to Frenchman Flats and his regular assignment.

Years later, a woman, Judie Woolcott, said that her late husband had been part of the recovery team, which added credibility to the tale. She claimed to have a letter he had written to her while he served in Vietnam, providing some detail. However, she was unable to produce the letter. She said he had been killed in the Vietnam War. Her daughter later contacted me, explaining that her mother made up tales and that her father had not died in Vietnam. You can read more about that here:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2011/05/kingman-ufo-crash-really.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-decline-and-fall-of-ufology.html

For those interested in tales that have some physical evidence, is the case from Ubatuba, Brazil. According to the most popular version, witnesses saw a craft explode in the air, raining debris down on a local beach in September 1957. Some of it was picked up by an unknown witness who sent it to a radio station reporter. The material eventually made it to APRO here in the US. It has been analyzed by several organizations including the Air Force that inadvertently destroyed its sample. You can read more about this here:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2010/05/ubatuba-ufo-sample.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2021/12/jacques-vallee-and-ten-unexplained-ufo.html

Recently, Jacques Vallee reported that the date was wrong. The explosion took place much earlier, prior to World War Two. Vallee’s information contradicts the originally reported tale and Vallee offered nothing in the way of evidence.

According to Len Stringfield, he was contacted by a woman who claimed that her grandfather had been to the scene of a UFO crash near Cape Girardeau, Missouri, in 1941. She claimed there had been a picture taken of the off-world creatures, but the picture had been lost over the years. She only saw the picture and heard her father taking about the crash. She saw nothing else.

A man, who saw nothing himself but whose father had been involved also told his story of the alleged crash. Other than these two people, who apparently saw nothing themselves, no one else has come forward to validate the claim. There are those who accept the story as real. You can read more about it here:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2019/12/cape-girardeau-ufo-crash-1941.html

The one case that has some credibility to it, other than Roswell, was the crash that took place near Shag Harbour, Canada in 1968. It has been investigated in-depth by Chris Styles and Don Ledger. They have uncovered official Canadian documents, some of which were originally classified, proving that something fell into the harbour and that both the Canadian and the US governments and military responded, searching the downed craft. Like Roswell, everyone agrees that some fell, it is the identity of that something that is in dispute. You can learn more about it here:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2021/05/just-last-friday-may14-another-video.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2017/02/x-zone-broadcast-network-don-ledger.html

So, this is my speculation about the most likely UFO crashes that David Grusch might have been talking about. It is basically a collection of highly suspect tales, but these are ones that many of the alleged insiders have talked about in the past. Some of what Grusch has said suggests that he has meet these people.

Much of what he has said is negated by his claim of inside information about the Italian crash. If it is a hoax, as it most certainly is, then the insiders feeding him information had no more inside knowledge that I do, or other UFO researchers do. Our access is through interviews with known participants, research into documents held by various federal and local government agencies, travels to archives and newspaper morgues. 

I came to these speculations through reports that I have received from many others in the UFO community. For example, I was told that Grusch spent time at Skinwalker Ranch. I’m not going to comment on that particular investigation here. I will note, however, that it did suggest that Grusch brushed elbows with several once important members of various administrations in Washington, D.C. And, I know what some of them have advocated in the past, which suggests where some of Grusch’s inside information originated.

The question really boils down to how many of the cases mentioned above are those that Grusch believes were true, and how much of that information did he feed in the various investigations conducted, in secret, to Congress?

The point here is that without more specific information from Grusch and some of those others, we are left with very little evidence. And if the majority of Grusch’s information is from fraudulent crash reports, why should we waste time chasing down the others.

True, I believe Roswell represents something that might have been constructed off-world, and there is good documentation for the Shag Harbour case, the best conclusion to be drawn is that those other reports are either mistakes or misidentifications. Unless Grusch can come up with something that is more concrete than he has heard stories of credible people, he is not advancing the case. In the long run, it will hurt it and no one will remember that I cautioned against acceptance until we had more evidence. They will only remember how Grusch’s inside information was little more than rumor, speculation, and science fiction.  So, while Grusch might be an honest man whose is beyond reproach, that doesn’t mean that the information he was given is any good. Just remember you heard it here first.

 

As a postscript, I will note that by typing the names of these cases in the search engine on my blog, you’ll find additional information. By typing the names of these cases into Google or other search engines, you’ll find additional information. Many sites will provide counterpoints to what I have listed here, but I reviewed many of those sites in the creation of my postings and often found them wanting for good sources and the like.